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I'm curious,has anybody ever come across a 2nd gen with rear factory three point seat belts,(ie, with rear lap and shoulder belts) ? I think they were an option on some 1st gens but although I think all 2nd gens have the reinforced two hole mounting points either side on the rear parcel shelf I don't think i've ever seen shoulder belts in the rear of a 2nd gen.
Would be safer if you have kids in back of car with these fitted.

Did come across a company that does them - andoverrestraints.com
their inertia reel bolts to the rear parcel shelf

i would have thought it was fairly easy to fit in yours

never seen them but would be easy to fit

Found these the other day
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/70-73-Camaro- ... 51a0657ad8

Just wondering if you had any issues with insurance? I'm very keen to do this myself (very happy to see it should be simple bolt in job on my 79).

why insurance probs ? nothing to do with them is it ? like that when i bought it lol

the only problem I could see with insurance is if someone was hurt in the car while wearing them and made a claim
then if they did not have correct british standard or equivalent rating/marking they may not pay out

kev 190164 wrote:i bought these. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mrs-m ... l/firebird

Hi Kev, do you know if these would fit in a 74? I have the same issue, would like to be able to safely put kids in the back

Cheers

Richard

lack of reinforced mounting point on earlier (non wrap around rear window) cars?
if so it would not be too hard to weld in a reinforcement

SUPERCHARGEDGTA wrote:lack of reinforced mounting point on earlier (non wrap around rear window) cars?
if so it would not be too hard to weld in a reinforcement

Damn knew it wouldn't be that easy

Has anyone ever used these?

http://www.seatbeltservice.co.uk/?gclid ... tAod6XcAuw

I just phoned them and they quoted me £178 plus VAT to install belts in the back, customed fitted to suit the car and it's a mobile service...

Seems a decent price, as I would have to get a welder involved then fit them myself?

They would have to fit them to standard as well

mmm

Seems a lot to me. The seatbelt anchor points will already be there, 2 on the transmission tunnel accessed by removing the rear seat bases. (2 minute job) and 1 at the sides of the seat bases also accessed by removing the seat bases. If your going for 3 point belts the. You only need to drill 2 holes and use a large heavy duty bolt into the metal behind the rear seat backs. They are also easy to remove. Just get some CE approved belts, bolt the inertia reel at the sides of the seats ( there is already a space moulded into the plastic side panels for them) and then bolt the other end to the new holes you drill. The clasp secures to the transmission tunnel.

bhm1712 wrote:Seems a lot to me. The seatbelt anchor points will already be there, 2 on the transmission tunnel accessed by removing the rear seat bases. (2 minute job) and 1 at the sides of the seat bases also accessed by removing the seat bases. If your going for 3 point belts the. You only need to drill 2 holes and use a large heavy duty bolt into the metal behind the rear seat backs. They are also easy to remove. Just get some CE approved belts, bolt the inertia reel at the sides of the seats ( there is already a space moulded into the plastic side panels for them) and then bolt the other end to the new holes you drill. The clasp secures to the transmission tunnel.

I might have a look first, I am quite handy, but it is safety of the kids after all, these people would do it day in day out so I would expect their expertise to be better than mine

Richard J wrote:

bhm1712 wrote:Seems a lot to me. The seatbelt anchor points will already be there, 2 on the transmission tunnel accessed by removing the rear seat bases. (2 minute job) and 1 at the sides of the seat bases also accessed by removing the seat bases. If your going for 3 point belts the. You only need to drill 2 holes and use a large heavy duty bolt into the metal behind the rear seat backs. They are also easy to remove. Just get some CE approved belts, bolt the inertia reel at the sides of the seats ( there is already a space moulded into the plastic side panels for them) and then bolt the other end to the new holes you drill. The clasp secures to the transmission tunnel.

I might have a look first, I am quite handy, but it is safety of the kids after all, these people would do it day in day out so I would expect their expertise to be better than mine

If you do get somebody in be sure to tell them about the pre installed anchor points before they try and drill holes in your car.

If I go that route they would be some serious supervision ;0)

bhm1712 wrote:

Richard J wrote:

bhm1712 wrote:Seems a lot to me. The seatbelt anchor points will already be there, 2 on the transmission tunnel accessed by removing the rear seat bases. (2 minute job) and 1 at the sides of the seat bases also accessed by removing the seat bases. If your going for 3 point belts the. You only need to drill 2 holes and use a large heavy duty bolt into the metal behind the rear seat backs. They are also easy to remove. Just get some CE approved belts, bolt the inertia reel at the sides of the seats ( there is already a space moulded into the plastic side panels for them) and then bolt the other end to the new holes you drill. The clasp secures to the transmission tunnel.

I might have a look first, I am quite handy, but it is safety of the kids after all, these people would do it day in day out so I would expect their expertise to be better than mine

If you do get somebody in be sure to tell them about the pre installed anchor points before they try and drill holes in your car.

Cheers for the info as well

bhm1712 wrote:

Richard J wrote:

bhm1712 wrote:Seems a lot to me. The seatbelt anchor points will already be there, 2 on the transmission tunnel accessed by removing the rear seat bases. (2 minute job) and 1 at the sides of the seat bases also accessed by removing the seat bases. If your going for 3 point belts the. You only need to drill 2 holes and use a large heavy duty bolt into the metal behind the rear seat backs. They are also easy to remove. Just get some CE approved belts, bolt the inertia reel at the sides of the seats ( there is already a space moulded into the plastic side panels for them) and then bolt the other end to the new holes you drill. The clasp secures to the transmission tunnel.

I might have a look first, I am quite handy, but it is safety of the kids after all, these people would do it day in day out so I would expect their expertise to be better than mine

If you do get somebody in be sure to tell them about the pre installed anchor points before they try and drill holes in your car.

Can you by chance send me a pic of this as trying to get a belt in mine for wheels, planning to do it tomorrow or Wednesday.

There is a raised area with two holes in each side on the rear parcel shelf that looks strong enough to fix the shoulder belt to,often wondered why 2nd gens had these holes from the factory. Can't think of any other use for these mounting holes

G20BlazerTA wrote:There is a raised area with two holes in each side on the rear parcel shelf that looks strong enough to fix the shoulder belt to,often wondered why 2nd gens had these holes from the factory. Can't think of any other use for these mounting holes

Your a legend!! Mine is covered in glued down vinyl so wanted to be precise so i only remove it where need be!!

Kev, You won't need rear seat belts, he will be old enough to sit in the front by the time you are finished with it !!!!!! Got any parts for sale at the moment?

monaroq wrote:

G20BlazerTA wrote:There is a raised area with two holes in each side on the rear parcel shelf that looks strong enough to fix the shoulder belt to,often wondered why 2nd gens had these holes from the factory. Can't think of any other use for these mounting holes

Your a legend!! Mine is covered in glued down vinyl so wanted to be precise so i only remove it where need be!!

If you go in the boot and actually get in you will be able to drill through these exact holes from below to get through the parcel shelf cover vinyl and padding, then you will know 100% where to remove the vinyl from above

I already have hotchkiss springs and leaf springs, what size is the rear sway bar, i just have the stock 77 on it now.

kev 190164 wrote:i bought these. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mrs-m ... l/firebird

I ordered a set of these recently and theve sent me a 2 point belt. looking on the website they are now listed as a 2 point. Im sure they werent when I ordered them, did you get what is in the picture?

kev 190164 wrote:i will be putting modern belts in the back of mine because my grandson will be attending a lot of shows so will need to belt in a child seet if it is possible

I think billy will be driving you to shows in your car by time you finish it ,you won't need the rear belts